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dionysos
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Hi all,

I have been looking for a while to reproduce on my recent latex the 'old' fonts previously used by the asm-tex (during the 90's). I don't know where to download the relevant packages in order to produce papers with this font. If anyone has an idea, I'd be infinitely grateful! Below is a link showing an article of math producing the wished font.
http://www.math.u-psud.fr/~ullmo/Public ... Invent.pdf

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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but that looks like regular old Computer Modern to me, which is still the default LaTeX font. You shouldn't need any packages to obtain it. It's what you get if you don't use any packages. That document uses Type-3 versions of the fonts, which are older and bitmapped, so not as smooth, but I can't see why you'd want to revert to that.

Consider the lmodern package ("Latin Modern") for what aesthetically appear as the same fonts, but with technically superior type-1 and open type versions.
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I agree, it's most likely the CM, but somehow I also see the Garamond's typical i there.
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Thank you very much for your answer.
I think you are right: it was the shape of the 'computer modern' of the previous version. That's exactly what I'd like to reproduce with my recent version of Latex.
To compare, and see that there is actually a difference in the font, here is a link of a pdf version of the same paper exactly, also in computer modern, produced by a recent version of latex:
http://www.math.brown.edu/~heeoh/hecke.pdf

as you can see, in the old version, the font seems more 'fat', the 'o' look more like circles than ellipses, the horizontal medium line of the 'e' is on the upper part of the letter, rather than exactly in the middle as the modern version, etc.
It is just like a computer modern, where one has indicated to Latex to 'squeeze' the letters.. do you see what I mean?
Thanks again for your replies
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The only difference between the two documents concerns the scalable embedded fonts in the second one resulting in a better quality. The fonts and their shapes are exactly the same. Just compare the attachments. Viewed with quadruple magnification.


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The file with Type 3 fonts not embedded.
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The file with embedded Type 1 fonts.
The file with embedded Type 1 fonts.
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I think I start to understand: the fonts on the pdf document essentially differ because of the quality of the transformation from tex -> pdf. Then, my question might seem a bit stupid, but: is it possible not to embed type1/type 3 fonts, in order to produce a document close to the pdf of my first post?
Is it like a pdf made through a ps, etc?
Many thanks for your above answers, it's helpful to understand better the software!
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Apart from the fact that I can't help any further, I don't understand why you insist on a document with lower quality.
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localghost wrote:Apart from the fact that I can't help any further, I don't understand why you insist on a document with lower quality.
when the y&y/bluesky fonts came along, they were in fact much closer to knuth's design than we had all been used to, on our 300dpi printers. (indeed, here we tweaked the mode for our 600dpi printers because people weren't keen on the more "spindly" look on our shiny new laserjet 4s.)

with that background, i'm not surprised the op wants to turn the clock back a bit.

so, imo the op should switch to some other free font set like the kpfonts. or learn to live with knuth's (really quite elegant) c.19-alikes. i'm planning to switch...
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rf wrote:when the y&y/bluesky fonts came along, they were in fact much closer to knuth's design than we had all been used to, on our 300dpi printers. (indeed, here we tweaked the mode for our 600dpi printers because people weren't keen on the more "spindly" look on our shiny new laserjet 4s.) [...]
Many thanks for this insider information. It seems that I'm simply silken by the acquisitions of modern technology. I know the good old 24-pin matrix printers. But at that time I haven't been yet a TeX user. Nowadays I call a laser printer my own. The kpfonts are also among my favorites because beside lmodern they are the only complete font.
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